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    Hello all recently I encountered an issue on my 2005 scion tC where i went to open it and the left driver side tilted up and the right passenger side stayed down so now I have a awkwardly half tilted sun roof which is an issue if I ever encounter rain. So today I took it into the dealership and they looked at it and told me that one of the wire braid had frayed off and got caught into the motor and created a rats nest preventing the motor from moving and they said in order to fix it they have to charge me about 3,300 for parts and labor because they have to get a new motor and assembly kit which sucks but it is there company policy. So I decided to eat the bullet and I'm just gonna try to get the sun roof shut and not deal with it. So I'm looking at third party options to see if they can close it but it would be great if someone can help me out and knows a way to shut it. I can provide pictures if necessary. Thank you for your help. Problem has been solved scroll to the bottom for solution.
    Welcome to the club, sorry to meet like this. Yes, post pics so we can see what exactly is going on
    while $3k is a bit high, the dealer is telling you the truth. The 05 has a slightly different sunroof setup than the 06+. It is the same part but they had issues with the first year production. The cables are not operating evenly, that's why one side is trying to open while the other side doesn't lift. There aren't any aftermarket solutions that I've ever seen, since the tC was a low number production car. I think in 06 which was it's best selling year something like 60-70k were sold. A lot less than a civic for the same year 300k+ Aftermarket won't be of any help, they aren't going to waste time on a low production number car.

    Your best idea is either have the dealer fix it all, don't use the sunroof ever again, or try a junkyard. But make sure it's from an 06+ so you won't run into the first year parts problem.

    It did not affect all 05's just when the problem happened it was always 05's.
    Alright so new update I found to shops that specialize in sun roofs both gave me an estimate of around 700 to 900 to fix it and I was able to pull the tracks closed using a needle nose so it is closed now so it is not the end of the world and the pictures will be updated now https://drive.google.com/...MzRqMlVj/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/...cVhNV2pZ/view?usp=sharing
    wow, yeah that is pretty chewed up. Almost looks melted. Are you going to the shop or gonna try to fix it?
    mashburn wrote:
    Alright so new update I found to shops that specialize in sun roofs both gave me an estimate of around 700 to 900 to fix it and I was able to pull the tracks closed using a needle nose so it is closed now so it is not the end of the world and the pictures will be updated now https://drive.google.com/...MzRqMlVj/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/...cVhNV2pZ/view?usp=sharing


    Thanks for the pictures! Yup that's exactly how they die. If you notice on your motor picture you'll see 04.. yup that's a 2004 production motor for a 2005 car (production started in 04 for the 05's). Sorry to tell ya but first year production definitely had their issues with the sunroof. It was fixed in the 06 model.

    I'm also very glad to hear you were able to manually close it!

    but 700-900 is more like it, compared to the dealer ripping you off at $3000! Was this lower priced place going to remove everything and replace it with new?
    I would first of like to thank all of you for your help it is nice to have people that you can tell your problem to and have an expert opinion on how to fix it. Secondly the first place gave a complete estimate at $800.36 but the only downfall are they will replace everything but with used parts. The other two places I will be in contact soon with them and when I hear back I will let you all know. Also Mitch you are spot on the motor has a date stamped in it and its dated 10/18/2004.
    mashburn wrote:
    I would first of like to thank all of you for your help it is nice to have people that you can tell your problem to and have an expert opinion on how to fix it. Secondly the first place gave a complete estimate at $800.36 but the only downfall are they will replace everything but with used parts. The other two places I will be in contact soon with them and when I hear back I will let you all know. Also Mitch you are spot on the motor has a date stamped in it and its dated 10/18/2004.


    hey you're welcome! okay I was looking up the parts you'd need, looks like two of them. The motor/gear that runs the system, and then the side rails that are part of those gearing strips you pulled with the needle nose pliers.

    And as I thought, yup, Toyota updated/superseded the parts. The new motor part number is 63260-21051.. I can't find the rail part number. On one site I use for reference it said it was not available, which makes me think they're making you buy the whole assembly without the glass. You might want to check with a local dealer just to see if the parts are available. But the motor is about $450-460, the assembly is $900. That's my best guess right now.. check with your local dealer.. see what they say.

    here's a picture of the entire rail + motor assembly. So you can see it outside of the car



    but used parts wouldn't be bad if they came from a tC that was in good shape (at least the sunroof), and 06+ can fit the 05 model, they're the updated parts you'd be getting if you ordered new anyway. Just make sure if you go used, you get parts from an 06+ tC. Because since those parts were updated a lot of us haven't had any issues, just make sure to keep the tracks lubed up every year so they don't bind.
    Mich - So how do you lube the track and what do you use? For the rest of us And how hard would it be for someone to tackle that themselves?

    That is pretty pricey but I agree 100% with Mich. How mechanically inclined are you?

    yotagirl wrote:
    Mich - So how do you lube the track and what do you use? For the rest of us And how hard would it be for someone to tackle that themselves?

    That is pretty pricey but I agree 100% with Mich. How mechanically inclined are you?





    hey yotagirl.. What I was using was CRC food grade silicone because it didn't have petroleum distillates in it. Which can attack rubber and plastic components! So stupid they put that in most silicone spray you see. Anyone reading this can go to your local parts store and look at the back, if it's listed you'll see "petroleum distillates".. if not, get the safety data sheet it's listed there.

    What am I using now? I haven't lubed it up in a year or so.. I'm looking for a silicone lubricant that is 100% pure, so the hunt it still on!

    about replacing it yourself, I thought it was a do-it-yourself type thing. But according to the service manual the sunroof is connected to the molding that is past of the windshield. oh wow.. Now we all know that the service manual sometimes gets a little crazy with TOO many parts removal to get things done. But if the molding can somehow not be involved it's just a series of taking the headliner out, then unscrewing a lot of stuff for the sunroof, then taking the housing out. To work on replacing the track.

    Kinda makes ya want to know exactly how the place for $700 or so plans on removing/reinstalling the sunroof housing. I'd definitely ask. Our sunroof system has a lot going on inside.
    Thanks for the good info. It's probably a good idea to lube up mine as well. Don't want any problems with it in the future!! Let me know if you find that silicon, please.
    We are having the same issue with our 05 tc sunroof. Where/how did you access the sunroof to use the needle nose pliers to pull the track, closing the roof. We are just trying to close the roof -don't care if it operates in the future. Does the headliner have to come down to access the track? Thanks for your help!
    Alrighty after a short two years later I finally fixed this sunroof and now have a fully functioning sunroof. What I did was went to a junkyard found a 2008 scion tC pulled the full roof off it. It cost around 80$ for the full roof as well so quite the steal. Then went home took the faulty sun roof off my car and put this sunroof in its place and now my sunroof works. If anyone is interested I can write a full description of all the work I did.
    Yes could you please describe how you did this?
    Alright first recommendation is go the junkyard and try first with the junkyard cars to make sure you don't mess up your own secondly you take down the headliner. I believe there is enough youtube and forum posts about it that it will make it easy. The basis is just take off the oh crap handles and then just peel it off from the pillars and it all Velcro so it shouldn't be difficult. Next you need to make sure you have long sockets and I think there is 20 some bolts and nuts around the sunroof make sure you get them all there are some that are covered by black stickers which odd but whatever make sure you get those off as well. With the junkyard car I just took off as much as I though was necessary then after getting the sunroof off saw which ones need to be removed and which ones didn't. Also when removing the sunroof push near the edge and for me I used my legs because there is a lot of adhesive on it and it take a lot of force to push it off the car. Try as much as possible to not be pushing on the glass. Also pro tip make sure to look at the motor and tracks of the sunroof you are removing to make sure you aren't replacing your sunroof with an also defective sunroof. And then just repeat the process on your car and you should be all set. Best of luck any question or anything unclear let me know.
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