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Front end replacement. Easy or difficult?

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    • Edited 1 times, last by sHeines on .
    Just so you know a little of the story, I ran over a deer in my 2008 Scion tC It looks like minimal front end damage, but apparently there is more than meets the eye. The body shop quoted me at almost 3k to fix it (parts a labor) but I've been looking at parts I know I needed and I can definitely get them for cheaper than he quoted.

    My question is, and I know these are opinions of course, but is it relatively easy to replace:
    complete front bumper,
    grille,
    radiator and radiator support,
    radiator fan, and AC condenser?


    I will be doing this myself and I'm decently car savvy but this would be the most I've done at one time. I know it would be better to take to a shop but I can't afford 3k or the insurance going up due to previous speeding tickets. All comments and opinions are welcome!
    Thanks everyone in advance!!!!!!!
    • Edited 1 times, last by sciontc_mich on .
    if you can weld and have a jig that allows you to know that everything is true, you should be able to do it yourself, the radiator support is the one that you'd have to get correctly installed. You will have to have a professional evacuate the a/c system and to vacuum out any moisture that has gotten inside of it in this accident. Then recharge the system when you're done.

    $3000? seems a bit high, did you shop around at other quality body shops? What were their quotes?
    I thought it was a bit high myself. And I have not shopped around yet. After looking up the parts myself (via part number) on the toyota website the parts alone equal to about $1700.00 after taxes. I am in the process of trying to find a good place/website to order cheaper parts from. I will post a picture of the foreseeable damage, once I figure out how to of course.

    I did not realize welding would have to be done. It wasn't on the quote sheet, could he have to added that in with the labor? I'm not familiar with bodyshops.
    I haven't looked at the car in depth myself yet but I'm pretty sure only the bottom of the support would be messed up. Would that still call for welding?????
    sHeines wrote:
    I thought it was a bit high myself. And I have not shopped around yet. After looking up the parts myself (via part number) on the toyota website the parts alone equal to about $1700.00 after taxes. I am in the process of trying to find a good place/website to order cheaper parts from. I will post a picture of the foreseeable damage, once I figure out how to of course.

    I did not realize welding would have to be done. It wasn't on the quote sheet, could he have to added that in with the labor? I'm not familiar with bodyshops.

    I haven't looked at the car in depth myself yet but I'm pretty sure only the bottom of the support would be messed up. Would that still call for welding?????


    post up some pics of it and then we can guess. But that's it, a guess. I know that if they're replacing the radiator support that means cutting the old one out, and welding in the new one. Unless they're going to glue it (toyota does glue some body panels on). and yes labor of welding in the new radiator support should be in the quote should say something like "R+R rad support" which is remove and replace radiator support.

    I would not use any aftermarket for the chassis/structural pieces like the radiator support. after the hell I've gone through on my other car with aftermarket parts.. I wouldn't screw with the structure parts being aftermarket crap.

    yeah shop around, find a nice honest shop.. It can be done.
    It just says:

    under Radiator Support:
    repl Lower c'member
    repl RT Under cover
    repl LT Under cover

    under Cooling:
    repl A/M Radiator assy manual trans
    repl A/M Coolant
    repl A/M Rad fan assy
    • Edited 2 times, last by sHeines on .
    Let me figure out how to post pictures.
    hmmm wonder what they meant by lower cross member of the radiator.. the one cross member that is there is between the subframe and the radiator support. hmm.. yeah some pics should help here.

    and they didn't mean the entire radiator support by the quote you gave, so welding MIGHT not be needed.. then it really shows their $3k price tag is insane (less work)!
    sciontc_mich wrote:
    sHeines wrote:
    I thought it was a bit high myself. And I have not shopped around yet. After looking up the parts myself (via part number) on the toyota website the parts alone equal to about $1700.00 after taxes. I am in the process of trying to find a good place/website to order cheaper parts from. I will post a picture of the foreseeable damage, once I figure out how to of course.

    I did not realize welding would have to be done. It wasn't on the quote sheet, could he have to added that in with the labor? I'm not familiar with bodyshops.

    I haven't looked at the car in depth myself yet but I'm pretty sure only the bottom of the support would be messed up. Would that still call for welding?????


    post up some pics of it and then we can guess. But that's it, a guess. I know that if they're replacing the radiator support that means cutting the old one out, and welding in the new one. Unless they're going to glue it (toyota does glue some body panels on). and yes labor of welding in the new radiator support should be in the quote should say something like "R+R rad support" which is remove and replace radiator support.

    I would not use any aftermarket for the chassis/structural pieces like the radiator support. after the hell I've gone through on my other car with aftermarket parts.. I wouldn't screw with the structure parts being aftermarket crap.

    yeah shop around, find a nice honest shop.. It can be done.


    Completely agree!! Get some pics up and from many different angles. I have not replaced a radiator support but I have replaced a front end on a Toyota p/u and it was not that hard. If you are car savy you should be able to fix it.

    Post updates so us newbies can learn a few things
    more pics!! more pics!! (the crowd chants)
    So I finally got my car from the body shop. They tried to charge me for storage for a day before the wreck even happened. Really glad I decided to not let them fix my car.
    But anyway, got my baby home and took out the radiator and condenser. Those DEFINITELY have to be replaced. It looks like one of the antlers or something went straight through them. It only messed up the radiator fan blades on the drive side fan but I'm sure i'll have to replace that whole thing and as for the crossmember, just a few inches on the driver side was bent so I just straightened that back out. It should be fine since the radiator basically sits on it and its very close the how straight its supposed to be. So as long as the radiator fits on it then no replacing that.
    I'm a little confused as to what the radiator support it though I guess because the things listed above are literally the only things we could find broken/bent (other than the bottom part of the front bumper.)
    So all in all 3k is definitely way too high. (Note: for them wanting to replace the crossmember instead of straightening it out I kind of understand beings that they are a shop and 1. try to get out as much money as possible from you/insurance. 2. if something were to go wrong then someone could come back and say something about them not replacing it.)
    sHeines wrote:
    So I finally got my car from the body shop. They tried to charge me for storage for a day before the wreck even happened. Really glad I decided to not let them fix my car.
    But anyway, got my baby home and took out the radiator and condenser. Those DEFINITELY have to be replaced. It looks like one of the antlers or something went straight through them. It only messed up the radiator fan blades on the drive side fan but I'm sure i'll have to replace that whole thing and as for the crossmember, just a few inches on the driver side was bent so I just straightened that back out. It should be fine since the radiator basically sits on it and its very close the how straight its supposed to be. So as long as the radiator fits on it then no replacing that.
    I'm a little confused as to what the radiator support it though I guess because the things listed above are literally the only things we could find broken/bent (other than the bottom part of the front bumper.)
    So all in all 3k is definitely way too high. (Note: for them wanting to replace the crossmember instead of straightening it out I kind of understand beings that they are a shop and 1. try to get out as much money as possible from you/insurance. 2. if something were to go wrong then someone could come back and say something about them not replacing it.)


    yeah you definitely listened to your instincts on that crazy body shop! Yup dishonest place! Trying to charge for storage before you even arrived there! hahahaha.. oh they must've seen the future and knew you were going to show up! lol

    but I'm glad that the damage isn't as bad as they claimed it was. yeah $3k for that work is crazy and way higher priced than the damage. I had a place try and tell me $5000-5500 or more to replace the entire quarter section of my civic project. All because of rust around the wheel lip area. I wanted only the affected rusted areas cut out and sheet metal welded/glued back in place, then painted.. they were telling me "we will not do the small work you want, it has to be done the correct way or we're not doing it".. I said "cool, then I'll keep my money and you'll get nothing.. bye".. Just shows that there are many dishonest body shops out there trying to make money off people who don't know cars that well. I'm glad more and more people are walking away from these ripoff artists. Hope they go out of business!

    Please post up pics of your damage if you would.. Be nice to see what happened.
    I finally saw where you posted up the crash pictures, it's on your profile. Yeah that shouldn't be that bad for you to fix. Glad it wasn't worse than that!
    • Edited 1 times, last by sHeines on .
    sciontc_mich wrote:
    I finally saw where you posted up the crash pictures, it's on your profile. Yeah that shouldn't be that bad for you to fix. Glad it wasn't worse than that!


    Yeah, it really wasn't too bad, just kind of expensive parts. It was really easy removing the parts, now just to order the right ones and put them in. I already have a shop that is going to charge the ac when I'm done. I tried uploading some more pictures to to the album but it won't load them for some reason. I'll try again later.
    Thank you so much for all of your help by the way! This forum has become my life saver. Hah.
    • Edited 1 times, last by sciontc_mich on .
    sHeines wrote:
    Yeah, it really wasn't too bad, just kind of expensive parts. It was really easy removing the parts, now just to order the right ones and put them in. I already have a shop that is going to charge the ac when I'm done. I tried uploading some more pictures to to the album but it won't load them for some reason. I'll try again later.
    Thank you so much for all of your help by the way! This forum has become my life saver. Hah.

    glad we could help ya out! no problem. yeah I left you some feedback in your other thread. definitely put some pictures of the aftermarket parts after they're installed. be nice to see how they compare. From what I know it would be an exact fit.
    sciontc_mich wrote:
    sHeines wrote:
    Yeah, it really wasn't too bad, just kind of expensive parts. It was really easy removing the parts, now just to order the right ones and put them in. I already have a shop that is going to charge the ac when I'm done. I tried uploading some more pictures to to the album but it won't load them for some reason. I'll try again later.
    Thank you so much for all of your help by the way! This forum has become my life saver. Hah.

    glad we could help ya out! no problem. yeah I left you some feedback in your other thread. definitely put some pictures of the aftermarket parts after they're installed. be nice to see how they compare. From what I know it would be an exact fit.


    So all the parts came in yesterday and today. (RockAuto is such an amazing site for parts btw!)
    My dad and I installed everything and so far its running even better than before. Much quieter.
    It was dark by the time we were done so no pictures yet, plus I still have my original bumper on there for now. But all of the parts fit perfectly!
    sHeines wrote:
    So all the parts came in yesterday and today. (RockAuto is such an amazing site for parts btw!)
    My dad and I installed everything and so far its running even better than before. Much quieter.It was dark by the time we were done so no pictures yet, plus I still have my original bumper on there for now. But all of the parts fit perfectly!


    Awesome news! So no damage to any of the parts? I just had to ask, doesn't sound like it. Oh did they include those fridge magnets in the box? I sometimes get those from rockauto, lol. Glad to hear everything is working well! Love to see the pics..
    Awesome news! So no damage to any of the parts? I just had to ask, doesn't sound like it. Oh did they include those fridge magnets in the box? I sometimes get those from rockauto, lol. Glad to hear everything is working well! Love to see the pics..
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    No damage to the naked eye at least. Its running great! And I didn't notice any magnets. I'll have to check tomorrow before I throw them in the dumpster. Lol. It'd be awesome to get some. I'll definitely post pics sometime this weekend though.
    sHeines wrote:
    No damage to the naked eye at least. Its running great! And I didn't notice any magnets. I'll have to check tomorrow before I throw them in the dumpster. Lol. It'd be awesome to get some. I'll definitely post pics sometime this weekend though.


    That's awesome! Glad our suggestions of parts helped you out and got it running correctly! And yeah sometimes rockauto does throw in fridge magnets. If they're not there, call 'em they said sorry one time and sent me some. Good that you're working well now!
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