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    • Feb 11, 2008 3:50:54 pm
    Well me and my friend are arguing that a mini cooper will beat a tC and im thinking that the tC will smoke the cooper.. but he thinks bc of the turbo that the cooper s has it will have an advatange....what do you guys think or has anyone raced against a cooper??
    • Feb 11, 2008 3:57:01 pm
    The normal mini cooper we can beat, but the mini cooper s is a pretty quick car, I have never seen a tc race one but stock to stock the mini cooper s will win but maby if the tc has i/h/e it will be a good drivers race.
    • Feb 11, 2008 3:57:30 pm
    I've heard that the mini cooper is faster than the tc. That's just what I've heard from motortrend.com and some other websites. The supercharged tc might be able to beat it.
    • Feb 11, 2008 4:04:57 pm
    the cooper 2 will smoke a tc. and ya if the tc had a supercharger it will be a close race. and a tc might take it. A TC WITH A TURBO ON THE OTHER HAND WILL SMOKE A COOPER S .
    • Feb 11, 2008 4:05:26 pm
    Ok, the mini cooper S has 172hp and 177lbs of torque. According to mini's website, the mini cooper s does 0-60 in 6.7 sec and the 1/4 mile in 15.1 sec. And the normal mini cooper only comes with 118hp so that thing is very easy to beat.
    • Feb 11, 2008 4:06:57 pm
    A normal MINI is a cakewalk

    A Type S MINI is faster, but barely

    here are the specifications for a 2005 Mini Cooper S

    Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 1.6 liters
    Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 168 hp
    Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 162 ft-lbs.
    Max Torque: 4000 rpm Drive Type: FWD

    there are special edition package MINI that have 215 hp, I wouldn't mess with those.

    An older model Type S is a worthy foe
    • Feb 11, 2008 4:08:34 pm
    specs for a 2007 Mini Cooper Type S

    Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 1.6 liters
    Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 172 hp
    Max Horsepower: 5500 rpm Torque: 177 ft-lbs.
    Max Torque: 1600 rpm Drive Type: FWD
    • Feb 11, 2008 4:09:13 pm
    I've driven both cars. The Cooper S will demolish a tC at any point. Those things have like 170 ft.lbs tq at 1500 RPMS. They are a blast to drive. I would think that a supercharged tC would still lose to a Cooper S because of the gearing and the weight ratio. I said a long time ago that a Cooper S would kill my car off the line, but that I would run it down before second gear ran out.

    It's funny you asked this question. The Cooper S was the car that we almost bought. They are/were having major drivetrain issues with the new models so we got a tC instead.
    • Feb 11, 2008 4:11:18 pm
    Orin wrote:
    A normal MINI is a cakewalk

    A Type S MINI is faster, but barely

    here are the specifications for a 2005 Mini Cooper S

    Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 1.6 liters
    Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 168 hp
    Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 162 ft-lbs.
    Max Torque: 4000 rpm Drive Type: FWD

    there are special edition package MINI that have 215 hp, I wouldn't mess with those.

    An older model Type S is a worthy foe


    You are forgetting weight. Those things tip the scales around 2k or so. They weight nothing. Also, they are 6 speeds and have a gearing advantage. Look at the difference in peak #'s between the normal and the 'S' version. 1700 rpms vs. 4000 makes a HUGE difference.
    • Feb 11, 2008 4:15:43 pm
    I agree that newer model Type S models will walk a tC

    the specs that would be most comparable would be the 2005 model S, which even with it's power to weight advantage is barely faster than the 2005 tC

    Given the torque and weight advantage of the new model S, it's definitely much quicker.
    • Feb 11, 2008 4:17:07 pm
    ^^^That's possible. I drove a 2007, which is now turbocharged instead of supercharged. If y'all get a chance, go to the dealership and test drive one. They are FUN!
    • Feb 11, 2008 11:35:32 pm
    Also, the mini owns the tc handling-wise any day.
    • Feb 11, 2008 11:45:36 pm
    an older model S weighs about 250 lbs less than our cars, dont mess with them.
    • Feb 12, 2008 10:28:18 am
    I work with a guy who has a Cooper..
    I ran him last year, and he held close, but i was a tad faster..

    3month ago he put a supercharger on the little thing.. I'm not even close to him anymore.

    I mean he leaves car lenghtS between us.
    • Feb 12, 2008 10:47:09 am
    A buddy of mine has a `04 Cooper S (Supercharged) and has always wanted to race me because the race would be incredibly close. So last summer we found an old country road and went from a dig. Since I'm N/A i took him from the start (says he was feeling some heat soak, granted it was like 85 degrees that day) but gotta love the torque the 2AZ makes. Anyways...as i shifted into 4th the 1/4 length i had on him started to dissapear pretty quickly and he walked away from me winning by barely a length. So it is a reallllly tight race and our cars were pretty equally set up. I had my TRD CAI and TRD Muffler and he had an ALTA Intake. So if anyone comes up against one I'd say race him...Its gonna be tight and you might come out on top.
    • Feb 12, 2008 10:52:41 am
    Foques wrote:
    I work with a guy who has a Cooper..
    I ran him last year, and he held close, but i was a tad faster..

    3month ago he put a supercharger on the little thing.. I'm not even close to him anymore.

    I mean he leaves car lenghtS between us.


    ^^^That means you ran a normal version, not an "S" model. I wonder what the HP difference is between a blown normal model and an "S".
    • Feb 12, 2008 10:54:46 am
    Racr350 wrote:
    A buddy of mine has a `05 Cooper S (Supercharged) and has always wanted to race me because the race would be incredibly close. So last summer we found an old country road and went from a dig. Since I'm N/A i took him from the start (says he was feeling some heat soak, granted it was like 85 degrees that day) but gotta love the torque the 2AZ makes. Anyways...as i shifted into 4th the 1 1/2 lengths i had on him started to dissapear pretty quickly and he walked away from me winning by barely a length. So it is a reallllly tight race and our cars were pretty equally set up. I had my TRD CAI and TRD Muffler and he had an ALTA Intake. So if anyone comes up against one I'd say race him...Its gonna be tight and you might come out on top.


    Sounds like the guy driving the Cooper needs to spend a bit more time behind the wheel, IMO. The Cooper's that I have driven are insane off the line. Right when you come out of idle the car is at max torque.

    EDIT: I mean insane in the sense that you are driving a 2000 lb go cart that is like 6 inches off the ground.
    • Feb 12, 2008 11:00:46 am
    ^No way does he need more time behind the wheel. Hes been to numerous driving schools and is an incredible driver. If you dont know what heat soak is...read up on it. Theres an INSANE amount of power loss due to that. Top mount intercoolers arent the most practical things in the world...
    • Feb 12, 2008 11:22:48 am
    Racr350 wrote:
    ^No way does he need more time behind the wheel. Hes been to numerous driving schools and is an incredible driver. If you dont know what heat soak is...read up on it. Theres an INSANE amount of power loss due to that. Top mount intercoolers arent the most practical things in the world...


    I have a supercharged car and I live in Louisiana. I've driven on days where my IAT2 temps will hit 150 at the track. Heat soak hurts, but not to the point that it would slow my car down that much. 80 degrees in Arizona isn't hot, btw. I've gone to the track on days where the temp is over 100 and the humidity sits around 40%. My front mount intercooler that I added keeps my IAT's down around 130 at WOT, and every summer I run pure distilled water in the intercooler which drops temps about another 20 degrees versus running with Dexcool. Trust me, I know a very good bit about heat soak.
    • Feb 12, 2008 11:28:54 am
    a liquid cooled intercooler is going to be a lot more efficient than an air to air.

    Most top mounted intercoolers are done so at the factory and are liquid cooled, therefore less like to be affected by heat soak as an air to air intercooler.
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