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250-300 horsepower is very doable

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    • Jun 20, 2004 4:27:37 pm
    According to: http://www.nctd.com/print...mp;ReviewID=1566-Toyota-s high-performance arm is already working on a 300-horsepower package of parts for the lunatic fringe.-Has anyone else heard about this? That-s alot of power. Good luck keeping tires on that thing.
    • Jun 21, 2004 9:48:02 am
    The tC has the potential to be modified into a great car. The standard 2.4L 160hp engine is bigger than the 2.0L engine in the RSX. They both start at 160hp, but the RSX does not need a supercharger to get 200hp. If the same sort of magic was worked on the tC-s 2.4L engine in conjunction with the supercharger, sport muffler, and a cool air intake, over 250hp is obtainable. There are 250hp RSX-s out there that run from 0-60 in about 5 and 1/2 seconds. A tC does not have to be as fast as a Lancer Evo, but it should be faster than an Accord or an Altima.http://www.hondatuningmag...es/0307ht_jackson/-Kitted with DC Sports intake and cat-back exhaust, Jackson Racing header and Hondata flash-programmed ECU, the JR Type-S is putting down 258 hp at the wheels at 165 lb-ft torque. -When I went to the Scion dealership the car salesman told me that Toyota is trying to accomodate the aftermarket enthusiast. Aftermarket enthusiasts like horsepower. 300hp sounds excessive until you look at the mitsubishi lancer evo. A 300hp tC, count me in. I just hope I don-t have to trade in my tC for one with a bigger engine. That should be the goal. Everybody gets to build up from the same base engine. They should try to offer a mod that doesn-t void the warranty that is similar to evo level perfomance. 0-60 in the low 5 seconds at a price that is cheaper than the evo or the WRX sti. An evo can be had for $27000. They should offer a package that is either cheaper or faster. I personally would rather cheaper, but if you could pick up a tC that does 0-60 in under 5.4 seconds for $28000 or less I would definitely save my pennies.The Lancer evo and the WRX STi are both run 0-60 under 4.7 sec. Even the Neon SRT-4 runs 5.6. This is how I came up with the 5.4 sec. I don-t ever want to get passed by a Neon. I-d like to be able to keep up with the Evo and the WRX.It has to be possible because an evo has a smaller engine, but it also has all wheel drive.
    • Jun 21, 2004 5:10:25 pm
    -BigQid- wrote:
    -Kitted with DC Sports intake and cat-back exhaust, Jackson Racing header and Hondata flash-programmed ECU, the JR Type-S is putting down 258 hp at the wheels at 165 lb-ft torque. - That-s what I-m talking about
    but thats all horsepower and no torque . . . sure horsepower is nice but i also want some more torque . . . if i can get somewhere around the same are of torque as horsepower for the car then itll be much quicker off the line and itll reach a higher top speed quicker . . . torque gets the car moving, while horsepower keeps the car moving . . . 285 HP : 165 LB-FT TORQUE decent, but i want more torque . . .
    • Jun 21, 2004 9:00:32 pm
    Hey guys.. just signed up here from Celica.net. Love the tC and I plan on trading up my Celica for one soon. My thoughts on this 250 HP tC is that yes it-s very possible. I think the KA motor in the RSX is a good comparison, although the base RSX, not the Type-S. The reason for this is that the Type-S uses variable valve timing and lift (equivalent to VVTL-i in Toyota terms) instead of just VVT-i. The higher lift cams give it a much higher redline and thus higher horsepower numbers with less torque.That established, it-s still going to be interesting seeing what we can do with the right aftermarket support. I-m hoping to see more internals for the 2.4 (such as cams, valve springs, cranks, pistons, rods, sleeves, etc...) to give us the option to pursue a high-torque N/A route. I-m curious to see how the FE head will do as well, perhaps with some porting/polishing, and getting some flow-bench tests. As they say, power is made in the head. That and some more aggressive cams alone should put it somewhere around 200 HP with good strong torque (assuming we can raise the redline a hair with the right valvetrain mods).Anyway... time will tell.Who knows, I might not even get that far into the engine mods beyond I/H/E. With a short shifter and perhaps a TRD clutch disc & pressure plate, it might just be all I need. Good to see a tC forum!
    • Jun 22, 2004 11:26:39 pm
    In the spring issue of Car and Driver: Boost there is an article on a TRD Celica GT. It gets the 180hp by using a supercharger that adds 40hp to the Celica-s 140 hp engine. The GT-S gets 180 hp as well, but the TRD modified Celica is a whole second faster than the Celica GT-S, running from 0-60 at 6.2 seconds in comparison and runs a 14.9 second quarter mile. The modifications to the engine are projected to cost $4100. The suspension is projected to cost $1250. If the tC could achieve similar performance I would be almost satisfied. That beats the RSX type-S and that is what I want. Who agrees with me?There is one problem, the Celica is a significantly lighter car, so to have a similar ratio of horse power to weight the tC would need at least 215 hp.
    • Jul 31, 2004 8:50:26 pm
    I look at the scion as a posible contender with the SRT-4 they are bolth 2.4 liters and produce great torque. With exuast, turbo and ecu tune i bet you could get 260hp no prob 300 on high boost. my .02c
    • Jul 31, 2004 11:07:12 pm
    That-s a nice RSX in that link. However you gotta remember the K series is a highly tuned engine making around 80 whp/liter. I-m pretty sure the scion is gonna be putting down 130-140 whp. This is significantly less than the 160 whp of an RSX. I agree with muxon. We could do N/A engine mods to get the tc to around 165-175 whp after raising the redline a littlle bit. That-s almost 80 whp/liter. Then add on some boost and bolt-ons and we-ll have near 230 whp with A LOT more than 165lb-ft torque. The trick is: can we somehow spend $4000 to get the tC-s dyno curve to look like the SRT-4? And the Neon gets 30mpg on all that boost! $21K for a Neon SRT-4 or a modified tC? At least the scion looks better...IMO
    • Aug 02, 2004 8:40:38 pm
    one problem with lots of torque on a fwd, torque steer. Ever had to drive with lots of torque steer?
    • Aug 05, 2004 2:30:37 am
    300 hp in a FWD car would be insane.. talk about traction.. unless it is a full on track car or drag car 300 hp on a fwd car is crazy.. those wrx and evos are awd and with 300 hp they go, and i mean go. traction is the number one thing they have that fwd car dont, i really dont see toyota trying to make that much power for the tcPS sorry to bring back a thread from the grave
    • Aug 05, 2004 10:11:37 am
    I agree... Traction is key. A nice limited slip differential would be a nice addition. My 2 cents...peace
    • Aug 05, 2004 6:03:35 pm
    My dealer said that TRD is working of a LSD as we speak, no eta though
    • Aug 05, 2004 9:41:24 pm
    YOu can-t really compare Toyota to Honda...Honda is known for getting incredible horsepower per liter out of almost all of their engine. I own a 2000 Integra Type R...1.8 liter and it puts out 195 hp....with properly sized bolt ons and tuning, I-m into the 13s....so much for torque...The Celica isn-t even that great of a comparison for the type R...it-s more suitable for the GSR....Car and Driver has pitted some pretty impressive cars against the Type R in tests, only to see those cars fall victim to Honda-s sub 25,000 rice rocket. Hey, it has better lateral acceleration than a Ferrari Mondena (i think that was the car) and a 2002 Corvette. Anyways...the K-series that you find in the RSX type S is also a very capable engine. THat engine responds incredibly to bolt ons...Honda left a lot of room to tune those things....with a Type R ECU from Japan, and bolts ons, they have been seen to hit 240-250 hp. This is why I feel you can-t compare Honda-s variable valve timing system with Toyota-s....VTEC is superior to VVT both in powerbands and overall peak horsepower numbers. Just look at the facts...The Scion-s 2.4 liter gets 160 hp....the S2000-s 2.0 liter got 240...now they equip the s2000 with a 2.2 to get more torque, but still, honda is still setting the bar and they do it without forced induction.BTW, I love the Scion tC and I-m thinking about selling the R for one for many reasons....the R gets stolen too much and you can-t really take it anywhere and leave it for periods of time...like the mall...it-s quite a hassle...I love the interior on the tC, it-s far superior to the Integra-s...IMHO, the Scion is the next Honda Civic as far as popularity and tunability...there will be a HUGE market for the tC in the coming years...
    • Aug 11, 2004 12:30:03 pm
    yup they are working on a LSD - because it would be illogical for anyone to think that would release anythign over 225hp without a diff upgrade
    • Aug 11, 2004 12:50:06 pm
    lets see....hp/ liter makes no difference!!!! lmaoonly thing that matters is hp/ weight because that translates directly into the speed of the car along with transmission ratios.the whole hp/ liter deal is a hoax and made up of people with small engines online trying ot make themsleves look better. just remember hp/liter doesnt effect ANYTHING it is hp/weight that matters.superchargers typically give anywhere from 40-75hp lets say the trd will give 50hpintakes can give up to 10exhaust 5header 10so just with bolt ons we are looking at base TC:160 hpSC + bolt on TC: 235hp at the crankand since when is the 200hp rsx type s rating at the wheels? look up some dynos. 200hp is at the crank. so a na rsx is about 140 whp and a s is about 175whp and a tc should be around 205whp with bolt ons and SC.the 300hp rumor is NOT with a V6 it is a modded 2.4. which can definitely be achieved- wether trd will release that is unknown. but it can be achieved for sure. no need for a v6. it wouldnt even make sense to do a v6 swap because there are no aftermarket parts for the camry v6.MOST superchargers CAN NOT have BOV. that is because most SC are ROOTS type superchargers and the way these are designed it is not possible. the only superchargers that can have BOV are centrifugal SC-s like the vortech ones. but sorry to disappoint everyone who wants a -PSSSHHHH- sound lol but more than likely the trd charger will be roots because they are much cheaper to make and are much much more common. if you really want the -pshhh- sound then get the mufller whistle on ebay lol
    • Aug 11, 2004 1:24:42 pm
    Actually, the TRD supercharger IS a centrifugal model. So we DO get to hear -the sound of boost- under warranty! Man I love this company!
    • Aug 11, 2004 2:12:45 pm
    post a link to the info on the SC being centrifegal. i had not read any confirmation on the type of SC it is. if it trully is centrifigal than that is awesome. but you dont need PSSSS to hear the sound of boost. that SC is going to whine very loud i love SC whine.i am much more excited about the SC if it is centrifigal because they give much more power than ROOTS. SWEEEET
    • Aug 12, 2004 12:39:23 am
    i read in some import magazine that it is going to be a centrifigal plus you can see it in the pics on scion lifeive never heard the sound of a centrifigal but the roots on my CRX lets out a really loud whine as soon as you get above 2500 rpm everyone knows your on boost.
    • Aug 30, 2004 4:06:00 am
    -thedaemon- wrote:
    one problem with lots of torque on a fwd, torque steer. Ever had to drive with lots of torque steer?
    Almost any war will have torque steer unless is a honda and has almost no torque. 160hp 163 Tq is nothing no torque steer. i had a Spec V 175 Hp 180 Tq many ppl complained about torque steer i never had a problem with it except i never had traction in 1-2 on rainy days. too much torque also at the track meant that you had almost no traction. but i was also like 300-400 lbs lighter but its not a concern unless your driving a beast and i mean 400 Whp FWD then i would be concerned with torque steer. any thing less that that and its not enought to worry. sorry i don-t mean to offend any one but its a heavy car granted it looks hot and has many standard options and is cheap.
    • Sep 05, 2004 4:17:21 pm
    Every car has torque steer? hardly....FWD-s have torque steer...RWD, stepon the gas and you-ll go straight...
    • Sep 06, 2004 10:44:46 am
    -TRD_tC- wrote:
    Every car has torque steer? hardly....FWD-s have torque steer...RWD, stepon the gas and you-ll go straight...
    Hhhmmm....I went sidways when I stepped on the gas of my friends Corvette Z06 . FWD-s do have torque steer, but its easy to get used to. I love my RWD G35 Coupe. I wish all cars were RWD again .
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