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Drifting... replace tires/alignment?

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blackscionTC
  • Detailer
 well....wen i was talking in a chatt with some friends...i was talking about getting cheap tires and rims that were similar to the stocks ones for the back of my car cuz i wanted to screww around and drift....he mentioned that i would have to get my wheels aligned wen i replaced the back....i wasnt sure if this was a fact or not...i could some one confirm this.....

[#] Aug 11, 2005 09:48pm
smooVtC
  • Tire Changer
 lol sorry dude but i dont think you can drift in a fwd, I like to use the term sliding. :mrgreen:

[#] Aug 12, 2005 02:38am
blackscionTC
  • Detailer
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[#] Aug 12, 2005 03:35am
HwaRang84
  • Tech Advisor
 It-s possible to drift... just need to use the E-Brake. Like the pros in Japan.

[#] Aug 12, 2005 07:05pm
Vicious
Orlando
Florida, US
  • El Chupacabra
 yea, not as effective as rwd.. but it-ll kick out for ya

[#] Aug 13, 2005 04:53am
heyitznosaj
  • Chief Mechanic
 sounds like fun =]

[#] Aug 13, 2005 08:14pm
TRD_tC
  • Scion Guru
 Drifting is not possible with a FWD... you can very well powerslide and slide and skid...but people need to understand Drifting is not sliding the car... its an art based on form n function...Pullin ur ebrake, and sliding, then countersteering is not drifting...Sorry.. just that too many people mistake the two as the same, and then you have the bashers that say drifting sucks, because they dont- understand the sport... o well... anyway... yeah...You don-t need the alignment by just switching rims/tires, unless you needed it from the beggining (ie: your alignment was off PRIOR to the rims/tires swap)You may however, need wheel balancing...that is they take the rim and balance it to stop wobbling, and make the rotation equal.... thats about it th0.

[#] Aug 14, 2005 01:13am
sciontc_mich
Michigan, US
  • Tech Advisor
 there goes the warranty.. lol

[#] Aug 14, 2005 01:13am
HwaRang84
  • Tech Advisor
 Yeah, TRD, I guess you-re right. I just call it drifting because pro drifters in Japan use the -Powersliding- method. Not really drifting, though... but as close as we can get (or at least those brave enough to try).

[#] Aug 14, 2005 06:01am
rsworksTc
  • Master Mechanic
 A good drifter will not even have to use the e-brake. It all depends on thier skills and knowledge of the car the drive. But if you want to drift go pick up a old RWD car the tC just won't work with being FWD.

A good show is on G4 called Formula-D it follows the US drift championship only two races left this season I believe.

[#] Aug 23, 2005 02:08pm
Vicious
Orlando
Florida, US
  • El Chupacabra
 I hate that show with a passion... before all this, I was looking all over for a 240sx.. it was hard enough finding one that wasn't beat up or sold the same day it went up for sale.. but because of that show using nothing but 240sx's for drifting and other segments not only had it become damn near impossible to find one but the price for a 240sx sky-rocketed.. like 95 percent of those cars are 240sx's 98 percent of you include the rest of the Nissan's

[#] Aug 24, 2005 09:04am
rsworksTc
  • Master Mechanic
 I would say it is a little more than 35% Nissan in the top 15 and only 26% is 240. There is GTO, 2 Mustang GT, S2000, G35, AE86, El Camino, Viper, S15, 3 S13, 350z.

[#] Aug 24, 2005 02:29pm
TRD_tC
  • Scion Guru
 IN the drift racing circuit, at least in america, the d1 consists of more 240's than a 12 nissan dealership lots.

the 240sx (s13) Is basically the best platform to start drifting with,. Not only is the weight dist. with the cast iron ka24de pretty decent, but with the aluminum sr20det....it almost becomes 50/50. Thats power, and weight dist, and WEIGHT reduction and LSD very ez on this car. Not to mention the car, before the drift persuasion came, were VERY CHEAP..(not u can barely find a manual 240 in good condition for CHEAP!)

The only people who use cars to drift other than ur basic cars such as the ae86, the 240, s13 14 and 15.....are people who have lots of sponsorships and use their money to their advantage.... But its great there more cars comming into the mix.

[#] Aug 24, 2005 06:08pm
InLikeFlint
Lexington
Kentucky, US
  • The Gearhead
 Well technically a FWD can drift according to definition: From Wikipedia

Drifting refers to the difference in slip angle between the front and rear tires of a car. When the rear wheels are slipping at a greater angle than the front wheels, the car is drifting, or oversteering. The rear end of the car appears to chase the front end around a turn, the driver utilizes both front tires and the rear tires to control the actual direction of the car. More throttle induces more rear wheel slip angle and the rear of the car wants to overtake the front. The goal is for the driver to achieve steering lock and use the throttle to fine tune the cars angle and direction.

There is some debate over whether or not front-wheel-drive (FWD) vehicles can drift. By the technical definition (rear wheels slipping at a greater angle than front wheels), they are indeed able to drift. However, many consider FWD vehicles a poor choice for drifting, as the frequent use of the emergency brake (necessary to drift FWD cars) slows them down and makes them harder to control.

[#] Aug 27, 2005 09:18pm
TRD_tC
  • Scion Guru
 I think the misconception, wikipedia even makes... is power-sliding vs. drifting. Power sliding can be achieved in any drive-train, and only requires the e-brake, or the most common over-steering method, power-over (utilizing the cars power to let the rear-end slip)

Drifting however, "an artform" requires complete balance and weight shift of the car, in fact the lateral G force should be completely stable (for those of you initial d fans, basically using the tension force...ie: the water in the cup in a slide without spilling) And is highly unlikely to happen in a fwd.

You can def. brake-drift or power slide in a FWD, no doubt... but you wont have the control an awd or particularly...RWD will have. which is basically what drifting is all about.

[#] Aug 27, 2005 09:55pm
Vicious
Orlando
Florida, US
  • El Chupacabra
 Drifting is using the car's power to negotiate through a turn at a high speed.. slammin on the e-brake isn't using the car's power to go through a turn.. just its momentum

[#] Aug 29, 2005 04:40am
InLikeFlint
Lexington
Kentucky, US
  • The Gearhead
TRD_tC wrote:
for those of you initial d fans, basically using the tension force...ie: the water in the cup in a slide without spilling) And is highly unlikely to happen in a fwd.


Guess you didn't see the "gumtape death match" where the AE86 takes on a Civic EG hatch

[#] Aug 29, 2005 06:19pm
TRD_tC
  • Scion Guru
 Takumi did fcuk up the car though....what a savage...

[#] Aug 29, 2005 07:07pm
way2sxxy4u
Hayward
California, US
  • Chief Mechanic
 i guess the two could be interchangeable cuz if u think about it; POWERsliding refers to putting down power through the tires causing them to break loose. if ur yanking the e-brake ur not really using power from ur car. so technically powersliding wouldn't be an accurate term either. but maybe we're looking at it too closely. jus call it what u want. we get the idea

[#] Aug 29, 2005 10:01pm

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