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HI!im deciding.	30	342	lingling	stUSsykiD3 @ Nov 23, 2008
I can't decide between...	9	202	EvilMonkey	Darkcloud9 @ Nov 20, 2008
Help me decide b/w s/c or turbo!!@#	26	250	aznpballer22	TheFantasticG @ Nov 18, 2008
Who want to go race???	6	86	balliztik_tc	balliztik_tc @ Nov 13, 2008
Going turbo cost??? Honestly?	77	873	JRod_TC	java09 @ Nov 12, 2008


RusWolf Yonkers New York, US Detailer	java09 wrote: its not so much about number is your case because you have an automatic. for you i wouldnt exceed 290 horespower.. i think thats more than enough on the auto and thats is kinda what you want to look at really. exactly, plus you will need to modify you tranny as well. Otherwise you'll be slipping and stauling like crazy. One of the guys from yoursciontc.com has auto tc with greddy kit puting down 270 at 7psi, but his tranny is not holding that power.
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:04am
RusWolf Yonkers New York, US Detailer	Thats pretty impressive, i wouldnt push over 320 on stock engine. big chance to screw something up, bent rods for example. Having alot of traction issues when launching the car ?
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:05am
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	ill be the first to say that the dezod exaust sounds nice and makes a huge difference! make sure you get is welded though because those slip fit clamps have exhaust leaks like a mofo!! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:07am
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	RusWolf wrote: Thats pretty impressive, i wouldnt push over 320 on stock engine. big chance to screw something up, bent rods for example. Having alot of traction issues when launching the car ? our stock motor can take 350 with no problem to the internals. and you have to remember that most guys making that much power are pushing like 13-14 psi. its not about power, its about cylider pressure.. making more whp at a lesser psi will always be better than making big power at big psi. thats something a lot of people dont quite grasp. make sense to you though? and im not having very much problem with traction but then again i havent launched it yet! haha just 3rd and 4th gear pulls! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:10am
vastano1 New Hyde Park New York, US Godlike Advisor	so brandon can we get a video yet? shit man, u should video the dyno session and post it up for us wit the numbers... man i cant wait to go turbo..... click the link, donate some money to help improve our site/community CLICK ME TO DONATE AND HELP SQMK MAKE OUR SITE BETTER
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:13am
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	yeah bro ill make a vid here soon!! haha i have no camera.. can i jsut use a regular camera to take a video? haha and yes i will take a vid at the dyno and post the numbers soon!! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:14am
RusWolf Yonkers New York, US Detailer	java09 wrote: RusWolf wrote: Thats pretty impressive, i wouldnt push over 320 on stock engine. big chance to screw something up, bent rods for example. Having alot of traction issues when launching the car ? our stock motor can take 350 with no problem to the internals. and you have to remember that most guys making that much power are pushing like 13-14 psi. its not about power, its about cylider pressure.. making more whp at a lesser psi will always be better than making big power at big psi. thats something a lot of people dont quite grasp. make sense to you though? and im not having very much problem with traction but then again i havent launched it yet! haha just 3rd and 4th gear pulls! Yup it definetly makes sence. Its just me I would be on the safe side not exceeding 320, as this wil be DD I'm sure you daily drive yours as well.
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:16am
RusWolf Yonkers New York, US Detailer	vastano1 wrote: so brandon can we get a video yet? shit man, u should video the dyno session and post it up for us wit the numbers... man i cant wait to go turbo..... Another soon to be boosted New Yoka
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:18am
vastano1 New Hyde Park New York, US Godlike Advisor	RusWolf wrote: vastano1 wrote: so brandon can we get a video yet? shit man, u should video the dyno session and post it up for us wit the numbers... man i cant wait to go turbo..... Another soon to be boosted New Yoka hopefully man...ull have urs before me....so u gotta let me check it out once u get it man click the link, donate some money to help improve our site/community CLICK ME TO DONATE AND HELP SQMK MAKE OUR SITE BETTER
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:23am
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	yes mine is dd but you also have to understand i hardly ever enter boost! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 08, 2008 12:24am
cookiemonster Savannah Georgia, US Detailer	RusWolf I don’t know if this will help you of not but here is a link to some good info. http://www.grapeaperacing.com/tech/ who stole the cookie out da cookie jar. ^_^ cookie monster If two men agree on the same thing then one of them is no longer needed. ^_^
[#] Jan 08, 2008 01:34am
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	haha it sure wasnt me! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 08, 2008 04:05am
cookiemonster Savannah Georgia, US Detailer	I’ll confess, it was me and man it went down good with a cup of coffee. cookie monster If two men agree on the same thing then one of them is no longer needed. ^_^
[#] Jan 08, 2008 06:40am
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	BAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAA 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 08, 2008 02:30pm
SoFloTC Boca Raton Florida, US Godlike Advisor	gosh im so jealous of tc's with turbo.. p.s check my new pics
[#] Jan 08, 2008 05:11pm
RusWolf Yonkers New York, US Detailer	cookiemonster wrote: RusWolf I don’t know if this will help you of not but here is a link to some good info. http://www.grapeaperacing.com/tech/ who stole the cookie out da cookie jar. ^_^ Hey thanks man , definetly some good info on th engine.
[#] Jan 08, 2008 06:07pm
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	yeah good read. and so fresh, no worries mang you'll get there eventually! if you come to hawaii ill let you drive mine! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 08, 2008 06:17pm
cookiemonster Savannah Georgia, US Detailer	Yeah; sorry but that was a decoy so that I could find the awesome one on S/L. There site is a hard on the eyes, especially when all you do all day is look at computer screens as a MOS. Nonetheless I have it now, this helped me out a lot in the beginning stages of F/I. http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=125753 cookie monster If two men agree on the same thing then one of them is no longer needed. ^_^
[#] Jan 08, 2008 06:38pm
dsm3383 Rochester New York, US Scion Guru	Manual boost control A manual boost controller is a simple mechanical and pneumatic control to allow some pressure from the wastegate actuator to escape or bleed out to the atmosphere or back into the intake system. This can be as simple as a T-fitting on the boost control line near the actuator with a small bleeder screw. The screw can be turned out to varying degrees to allow air to bleed out of the system, relieving pressure on the wastegate actuator, thus increasing boost levels. These devices are popular due to their negligible cost compared to other devices that may offer the same power increase. Generally a manual boost controller will not be accessible from inside the car, though some are designed to be. An installation that allows access from inside the car (as opposed from inside the engine compartment) is more complex, as the tubing must be longer and a hole must be drilled. It is possible and beneficial to use two manual boost controllers at different settings with a solenoid to switch between them for two different boost pressure settings. Some factory turbocharged cars have a switch to regulate boost pressure, such as a setting designed for fuel economy and a setting for performance. Manual boost controllers do not solve partial throttle/full boost, drivability, and response or lag issues. They can be used in conjunction with some electronic systems. Electronic boost control A 3-port pneumatic solenoid. This solenoid allows interrupt or blocking of the boost pressure rather than just bleed type control.Electronic boost control adds an air control solenoid and/or a stepper motor controlled by an electronic control unit. The same general principle of a manual controller is present, which is to control the air pressure presented to the wastegate actuator. Further control and intelligent algorithms can be introduced, refining and increasing control over actual boost pressure delivered to the engine. At the component level, boost pressure can either be bled out of the control lines or blocked outright. Either can achieve the goal of reducing pressure pushing against the wastegate. In a bleed-type system air is allowed to pass out of the control lines, reducing the load on the wastegate actuator. On a blocking configuration, air traveling from the charge air supply to the wastegate actuator is blocked while simultaneously bleeding any pressure that has previously built up at the wastegate actuator. Control details A 4-port pneumatic solenoid installed to control a dual port wastegate controlled by a single PWM PID controllerControl for the solenoids and stepper motors can be either closed loop or open loop. Closed loop systems rely on feedback from a manifold pressure sensor to meet a predetermined boost pressure. Open loop systems have a predetermined control output where control output is merely based on other inputs such as throttle angle and/or engine RPM. Open loop specifically leaves out a desired boost level, while closed loop attempts to target a specific level of boost pressure. Since open loop systems do not modify control levels based on MAP sensor, differing boost pressure levels may be reached based on outside variables such as weather conditions or engine coolant temperature. For this reason, systems that do not feature closed loop operation are not as widespread. Solenoids are driven by pulse-width modulation as they are binary state devices, either allowing air flow or blocking it between any two given ports. By modifying the pulse width at a sufficiently high frequency, average air pressure over time can be controlled. Solenoids may require small diameter restrictors be installed in the air control lines to limit airflow and even out the on/off nature of their operation. Stepper motors allow fine control of airflow based on position and speed of the motor, but may have low total airflow capability. Some systems use a solenoid in conjunction with a stepper motor, with the stepper motor allowing fine control and the solenoid coarse control. Many configurations are possible with 2-, 3-, and 4-port solenoids and stepper motors in series or parallel. Two port solenoid bleed systems with a PID controller tend to be common on factory turbocharged cars. Advantages Since less positive pressure can be present at the wastegate actuator as desired boost is approached the wastegate remains closer to a completely closed state. This keeps exhaust gas routed through the turbine and increases energy transferred to the wheels of the turbocharger. Once desired boost is reached, closed loop based systems react by allowing more air pressure to reach the wastegate actuator to stop the further increase in air pressure so desired boost levels are maintained. This reduces turbocharger lag and lowers boost threshold. Boost pressure builds faster when the throttle is depressed quickly and allows boost pressure to build at lower engine RPM than without such a system. This also allows the use of a much softer spring in the actuator. For instance, a 7 psi spring together with a boost controller may still be able to achieve a maximum boost level of well over 15 psi. The electronic control unit can be programmed to control 7 psi at half throttle, 12 psi at 3/4 throttle, and 15 psi at full throttle, or whatever levels the programmer or designer of the control unit intends. This partial throttle control greatly increases driver control over the engine and vehicle. Limitations and Disadvantages Even with an electronic controller, actuator springs that are too soft can cause the wastegate to open before desired. Exhaust gas backpressure is still pushing against the wastegate valve itself. This backpressure can overcome the spring pressure without the aid of the actuator at all. Electronic control may still enable control of boost to over double gauge pressure of the spring's rated pressure. The solenoid and stepper motors also need to be installed in such a way to maximize the advantages of failure modes. For instance, if a solenoid is installed to control boost electronically, it should be installed such that if the solenoid fails in the most common failure mode (probably non-energized position) the boost control falls back to simple wastagate actuator boost levels. It is possible a solenoid or stepper motor could get stuck in a position that lets no boost pressure reach the wastegate, causing boost to quickly rise out of control. The electronic systems, extra hoses, solenoids and soforth add complexity to the turbocharger system. This runs counter to the "keep it simple" principle as there are more things that can go wrong. It is worth noting that virtually all modern factory turbocharged cars, the same cars with long warranty periods, implement electronic boost control. Manufactures such as Subaru, Mitsubishi and Saab integrate electronic boost control in all turbo model cars. Availability and Applications Electronic boost control systems are available as aftermarket stand-alone systems such as the Apex-i AVCR, as a built-in feature of modern factory turbocharged vehicles such as the Subaru Impreza WRX and often as built-in features in full aftermarket stand-alone engine management systems such as the Hydra Nemesis, AEM EMS and MegaSquirt. Read up on Wikipedia and other sources to fully understand everything you will need for what you desire as the outcome of your turbo system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_controller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastegate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dump_valve Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Ben Franklin
[#] Jan 08, 2008 07:55pm
RusWolf Yonkers New York, US Detailer	java09 wrote: yeah good read. and so fresh, no worries mang you'll get there eventually! if you come to hawaii ill let you drive mine! hehe, that would be definetly good and fun trip Drive your car to pick some some ladies , 2 kills one shot.
[#] Jan 08, 2008 11:07pm
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	yes sir!! in hawaii too!!! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 09, 2008 04:35pm
RusWolf Yonkers New York, US Detailer	I'm thinking of going with AEM FIC as my piggy-bank. In order for the ystem to function properly i need ECU harness as well is that right ? So are these 2 thing that i need to complete engine managment ? http://www.dezod.com/pd_a..._controller-universal.cfm http://www.dezod.com/pd_tc07_fic.cfm
[#] Jan 10, 2008 01:17pm
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	correct sir, but you dont technically need the pnp harness. you could splice all those wires but the harness makes life easy!!!!!!!!! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 10, 2008 02:57pm
RusWolf Yonkers New York, US Detailer	cool, hey brandon how much was your set up in total ?
[#] Jan 10, 2008 03:00pm
java09 Honolulu Hawaii, US Godlike Advisor	kit gauges everything total: 6k with some more misc costs that i cant think of! 2008 Turbo Scion tCizzle POWERED BY TURBOTOYOTAS! 310WHP, 272WTQ more to come_..
[#] Jan 10, 2008 03:24pm

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