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brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	I know we've discussed this before and there's a thread similar, but i didn't want to jack that one. Well anyways I'm going to remove the steering lock feature and run a switch for all accesories and use a push button to start. So all i have to do is flip the ignition button and push the start button. It'll be setup just like my race car. I can't wait to tear into it. After I'm done I'll post a complete DIY w/photos and/or video. "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 14, 2007 03:44pm
Triniosito Orlando Florida, US Godlike Advisor	Sounds great let us know how it turns out
[#] Nov 15, 2007 02:25am
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	Very interested to see how this turns out as well. Have you thought about how you're going to compensate for the security key? It shouldn't be too hard, becuase it is probably just a resistor in the key, but I have no idea how to figure out which one you would need. Keep us posted ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Nov 15, 2007 10:03am
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	Yeah, I think I can measure the resistance before the key is inserted and when it's present to figure it out difference in resistance. This is what I did with my bonneville when I did the same mod. Or I could just leave the key in the ignition permanantly. As a securaty feature I can just take it out and no one can manually start it without the key in ignition. "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 15, 2007 11:01am
supafly Olney Maryland, US Chief Mechanic	i will be watching this very closely. something like this (if done properly) can really separate a tc from the pack. hot hot mod, good luck!
[#] Nov 15, 2007 12:35pm
Mugetsu Hollywood Florida, US Scion Guru	brianc500 wrote: Yeah, I think I can measure the resistance before the key is inserted and when it's present to figure it out difference in resistance. This is what I did with my bonneville when I did the same mod. Or I could just leave the key in the ignition permanantly. As a securaty feature I can just take it out and no one can manually start it without the key in ignition. UH...yeah thats how mine works... you can't crank the car without the key in the ignition, BUT you can't crank the car with the key either. you get in the car insert the key, turn it to the on position(not crank) let it go, step on the clutch and push a button = car roars to life... I think you are over thinking this, the TC has too many safety and security features to Honda it and just yank out the Key cylinder and slap a 3$ 2 position or spring loaded toggle switch on it. wow that was more intense than that one time I forgot how to sit down...
[#] Nov 15, 2007 01:30pm
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	Yes, I understand the intricacy of the tC. I have obtained a full schematic from an unnamed source and plan to leave the functionality of the key complete. So at any time you may use the key. But my plan is to also bypass the key whenever I want with an Ignition switch and momentary switch for starting. I have all ready started on the relay panel I will need to actuate the key on features. I never said it was going to be easy, and it will most definitely not be a hack job. These are the kind of challenges I deal with on a daily basis, its part of being an engineer. That's why I'm dedicated to doing something different like a true push button start, instead of putting a key in and turning it to acc, then pushing a button to start. "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 15, 2007 01:54pm
N8thegreat22 Brecksville Ohio, US Tech Advisor	This sounds great to me! I have looked everywhere for a good DIY for this and only found one that was so/so. My question is, is this a permanent mod were talking about? Or can it be put back to normal (meaning no push start with no evidence of there ever being one) if you would happen to sell the car down the road? I am guessing number one since you have to tap into ignition, security features etc. But no doubt I will keep and eye on this one! Good Luck!
[#] Nov 15, 2007 03:07pm
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	Yes, like I said I will keep all normal key operations functional. But will have the additional start button on the side. I will have to tap into the Factory Transponder Control Unit, but it's with a bypass module that you use for any remote start application so it's completely reversible. The only thing tricky is removing the steering wheel lock feature. I'll have to see when I get it apart what is making the connection to disengage the lock. After that I'll jump it and it won't be a problem. "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 15, 2007 03:44pm
tC_vixen New Jersey, US	how much is it to install? CLICK TO DONATE & HELP MAKE THIS WONDERFUL SITE OF OURS BETTER!
[#] Nov 15, 2007 04:08pm
Mugetsu Hollywood Florida, US Scion Guru	brianc500 wrote: That's why I'm dedicated to doing something different like a true push button start, instead of putting a key in and turning it to acc, then pushing a button to start. Hmm... so Honda S2Ks which use a system like you described above from the factory don't have TRUE push start ignition huh? thats news to me... good luck. wow that was more intense than that one time I forgot how to sit down...
[#] Nov 15, 2007 04:19pm
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	No no I'm not saying that s2000's don't. I'm talking more about our tc's and other cars I've seen that you have to use the key in parallel with the button. I'm not trying to slam the other guys who have that setup. I just love my setup in my race car and want a similar setup for my street car. "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 15, 2007 07:17pm
SiL3ntKiLL Detailer	that would be cool if u got everyting to work. i would love to have it such a way where the immobilizer still works so u just have to carry around the transmitter in ur pocket so some prick cant break in and drive away lol
[#] Nov 15, 2007 07:18pm
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	tC_vixen wrote: how much is it to install? Well the Transmitter bypass module is like 40 bucks and the switches and extra connectors, wiring, ect. should only run me under 50 bucks. Or I can go over to the race shop and steal the gage panel out of my old street stock for free... "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 15, 2007 07:20pm
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	SiL3ntKiLL wrote: that would be cool if u got everyting to work. i would love to have it such a way where the immobilizer still works so u just have to carry around the transmitter in ur pocket so some prick cant break in and drive away lol I was thinking of using my cigerete lighter as the switch so it's very unlikely someone would know to push down the lighter to crank the motor over. "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 15, 2007 07:21pm
SquallLHeart The Techie	^^ i know someone who's done that already... there's videos of it on youtube. the immobilizer is the more difficult thing you'll need to bypass and with people that have done remote start, they have had to sacrifice a key to place in the vehicle to do that. i've been looking into placing Toyota's Smart Key system into the vehicle, however with the amount of money it's going to cost and the supplies needed... yeah... as great as it is for the vehicles that have them, trying to install it afterwards isn't practical at all for a car that doesn't have it built in already. but as far as Toyota's Smart Key system... the best thing you can try is the Avalon, that isn't a hybrid vehicle, but has that option... press the button once (no need to hold it) and the engine roars to life.... (with the key still in your pocket) cool beans. LED Swaps and parts available! PM me for details, questions and/or quotes. There's Strong, and then there's RETARD Strong. Decelerate your life. The Few, the Proud... (they never really tell you what they're really "proud" of, eh?) Below All (USAF - Uncle Sam's Academic Failures)
[#] Nov 15, 2007 07:31pm
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	I found a Bypass module to acomplish this without sacificing a key. I had to do the same thing on my bonneville with the GM pass key, except that had a serial bus to bypass. "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 15, 2007 09:56pm
Mayo Rockville Maryland, US *The Guru*	So will this be kind of like what the Prius has? Where you can keep your "key" in your pocket and press the push start? That would be pretty sweet. "gonna wash my car before i take a nap.. can't rest well knowing i've got the entire cast of A Bug's Life on my bumper" - Vicious -- Want to post a "For Sale" thread? Check out the rules first.
[#] Nov 16, 2007 09:27am
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	Yeah in a round about way. Basically I can either use my key or just flip the ignition switch and use the start button. I am using a transponder bypass module that is normally used for remote car starters. That way the the transponder ECU thinks the key is in the ignition when it is actually not. "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 16, 2007 01:11pm
supafly Olney Maryland, US Chief Mechanic	brianc500 wrote: Yeah in a round about way. Basically I can either use my key or just flip the ignition switch and use the start button. I am using a transponder bypass module that is normally used for remote car starters. That way the the transponder ECU thinks the key is in the ignition when it is actually not. at all times? so if youre at a picnic and your car is unlocked someone can just drive away with it?
[#] Nov 16, 2007 02:18pm
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	Thought of that too. All I'm going to do is run a secondary switch that is hidden to make the push button live. So unless you knew exactly where the switch was, you can't start the car no matter what you try. So under normal conditions you leave that switch on, and when you want to immobilize it, just turn the switch off and voila! "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 16, 2007 03:07pm
SquallLHeart The Techie	Mayo wrote: So will this be kind of like what the Prius has? Where you can keep your "key" in your pocket and press the push start? That would be pretty sweet. well.. his roundabout way would be.. no.. not like that at all.. he's basically bypassing every security measure and having the car completely stealable if so-and-so finds this supposed "hidden" switch that he plans to put in. the prius uses the smart key system i mentioned... actually utilizing a RFID key... and sensing that the driver with the key is in the car... his way? just being able to turn on the car without any key at all... and relying on switches that he hopes no one can ever find. LED Swaps and parts available! PM me for details, questions and/or quotes. There's Strong, and then there's RETARD Strong. Decelerate your life. The Few, the Proud... (they never really tell you what they're really "proud" of, eh?) Below All (USAF - Uncle Sam's Academic Failures)
[#] Nov 17, 2007 06:54am
brianc500 Kalamazoo Michigan, US Master Mechanic	SquallLHeart wrote: Mayo wrote: So will this be kind of like what the Prius has? Where you can keep your "key" in your pocket and press the push start? That would be pretty sweet. he's basically bypassing every security measure and having the car completely stealable if so-and-so finds this supposed "hidden" switch that he plans to put in. True, I am bypassing everything, but where I live the last person arrested for trying to steal a car was Joe-Bob from down the road. And the reason he was arrested is he got to drunk at the bar and got in the wrong truck and was trying to figure out why his keys wouldn't work. And someone called the police thinking he was trying to steal the truck. So I'm not really concerned about theft. Besides, the car is going to be kind of hard to steal without a steering wheel. Thanks to my Sweet MFG quick release I just installed with MOMO D wheel. And I still have my Viper Alarm with starter kill that runs in front of the push button so if the alarm is set off no matter how many times you push the button... it'll be an exercise in futility But thanks anyways for stating the obvious. :? "Losing is often a temporary condition, giving up makes it permanent."
[#] Nov 17, 2007 07:36am
gicode0823 Texas, US Tech Advisor	where do you buy start button anyways... but if you can figure it out how to start car like that i def get one =D member of TEAM SCION EYED
[#] Dec 28, 2007 01:22pm
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	Since this got bumped, any update on the project? ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Dec 28, 2007 01:33pm

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