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FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	I've been wanting to add power to my car for a while, and haven't been able to decide what route to go. As I've posted in the past, I would love to do an all motor setup with spray, but the more I look into it, the more expensive it becomes to do correctly. I've kind of given up on the idea of going all out and would like to get the car around 250-275hp to the wheels. I can do this one of three ways: PnP my head, tune, and a 75 shot Stage 1 turbo kit Supercharger w/ slight modification and tuning I don't really want to get the s/c but not limiting my options. I've been looking into making a custom turbo kit with all toyota parts and should be able to put one together that should get me close to 15lbs of boost for around 1500.00. I'm thinking that doing nitrous correctly is going to cost me a little more then that considering the additional head work. Opinions? ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Oct 23, 2007 02:56pm
N8thegreat22 Brecksville Ohio, US Tech Advisor	Wow its possible to get a turbo for $1500? I always thought they were at least $2500-$3000. Ya if I were you I would go with the turbo! Thats what I want sooooo bad! Just my preferance.
[#] Oct 23, 2007 03:14pm
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	The turbo kit that I'm considering building is made with all stock toyota parts and most of them would be used. The most expensive part of the kit would be having the exhaust manifold made and the down pipe. To do it with new parts it would cost substantially more. ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Oct 23, 2007 03:17pm
N8thegreat22 Brecksville Ohio, US Tech Advisor	FrAnkRYzzO wrote: The turbo kit that I'm considering building is made with all stock toyota parts and most of them would be used. The most expensive part of the kit would be having the exhaust manifold made and the down pipe. To do it with new parts it would cost substantially more. Nice! Your going to need to let me know how to do that. I would definately consider it for my car!
[#] Oct 23, 2007 03:22pm
TexasFinestTC Euless Texas, US Oil Changer	yeah bro if it works out for you, put my name down to order a kit. I for real. thats a great price
[#] Oct 23, 2007 04:50pm
06TCinCALI California, US Chief Mechanic	turbo would be nice...i know alot of ppl with the RS 1 and 2 are havin trouble with their superchargers.... but that TRD hahaha
[#] Oct 23, 2007 05:55pm
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	As much as I want to do all motor, I just keep leaning more towards turbo. It'll just be so much cheaper. I just put a bid in for the turbos I want, and we'll see what happens. And yes, I said turbos... :twisted: ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Oct 23, 2007 06:57pm
Mayo Rockville Maryland, US *The Guru*	Wait... Turbos? Now you're talking! Can you imagine that? TT tC? Sexy. But in general for hp adding, I personally would like to go with the s/c. Easy maintenance, and moddest gain. But it would be really expensive getting it up to 250-275 hp for your goal wouldn't it? Go with turbo. Sorry, turbos. "gonna wash my car before i take a nap.. can't rest well knowing i've got the entire cast of A Bug's Life on my bumper" - Vicious -- Want to post a "For Sale" thread? Check out the rules first.
[#] Oct 23, 2007 10:22pm
Racr350 Penfield New York, US Chief Mechanic	FrAnkRYzzO wrote: As much as I want to do all motor, I just keep leaning more towards turbo. It'll just be so much cheaper. I just put a bid in for the turbos I want, and we'll see what happens. And yes, I said turbos... :twisted: can you say lagggggg? -BearZ Rules!
[#] Oct 23, 2007 10:41pm
Mayo Rockville Maryland, US *The Guru*	Racr350 wrote: can you say lagggggg? Nah man, not if he goes sequencial turbos. Virtually no lag there. "gonna wash my car before i take a nap.. can't rest well knowing i've got the entire cast of A Bug's Life on my bumper" - Vicious -- Want to post a "For Sale" thread? Check out the rules first.
[#] Oct 23, 2007 10:52pm
Racr350 Penfield New York, US Chief Mechanic	oooo..thats right...i was thinking more along the lines of a corvette twin turbo kit like my dads callaway...my bad... -BearZ Rules!
[#] Oct 23, 2007 10:53pm
operatic Houston Texas, US Scion Guru	Racr350 wrote: can you say lagggggg? In regards to turbo lag, it really doesn't make a difference. I do not own a tC, but I own a turbo car where the turbo begins to spool at 5,000rpms. Now people would imagine that this is way to much turbo lag, but if you down shift you would never know. At least for my car / setup once I go into boost, I stay in it after every shift. It just depends on how you want your car to react. A smaller turbo would result in faster spooling thus less turbo lag but less over all power. yada yada yada, this can go on for a long time in regards to setups. As for the OP. If you can source turbo parts for $1,500<=>$2,000 with everything you need excluding tune. Do it up, you'll love your car so much more afterwards.
[#] Oct 23, 2007 10:59pm
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	We'll see what happens, but I just bought a set of sequential turbos and an intercooler. I'll have to get all custom piping made and I already have an emanage ultimate. Can anyone recommend someone that can make a custom exhaust manifold? ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Oct 24, 2007 10:20am
DevinN08tC Louisville Kentucky, US Tech Advisor	Nitrous FTW! It's there only when you need it! Turbo kits can really lower the life of the car too. Nitrous does too but if used right and installed right not as much as a turbo.
[#] Oct 24, 2007 11:19am
Rabid_Lemming Cumming Georgia, US Scion Guru	Interesting idea on the twins....how do you intend to get the manifold done? 2 x 2? I assume you'd have to get small turbos to get them to spool right? Also, who is making that manifold for you? I had been calling around to see if I could get a custom manifold made, and some of the quotes I got were just a few hundred dollars less than the turbo kit I have already Granted I've been calling shops who build actual race cars, but I figure if I do it,I'd go balls to the wall and do it right My car isn't the fastest car out there, but I'll tell ya.... Sometimes I haul more ass than a pimp driving a caddy full of hoes. Me to Pathik at PRacing.com about modding cars "It's like crack, but you don't lose as much weight...also you don't blow people for performance parts. So I guess it's nothing like crack"
[#] Oct 24, 2007 11:23am
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	I bought a set of stock turbos from a supra tt I plan on doing a 2-2 setup on the manifold, and my buddy knows a guy that can make them but said it'll be around 600-800 for jethot coated stainless I'm shopping around a little to see if there are any other options. If worse comes to worse, I'll make one myself... now where did i put that duct tape... ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Oct 24, 2007 11:34am
Rabid_Lemming Cumming Georgia, US Scion Guru	FrAnkRYzzO wrote: I bought a set of stock turbos from a supra tt I plan on doing a 2-2 setup on the manifold, and my buddy knows a guy that can make them but said it'll be around 600-800 for jethot coated stainless I'm shopping around a little to see if there are any other options. If worse comes to worse, I'll make one myself... now where did i put that duct tape... That is an EXCELLENT price for a custom manifold!!! Just make sure they use the highest rated steel to avoid cracks. I think the lowest price I got quoted for was $1875 My car isn't the fastest car out there, but I'll tell ya.... Sometimes I haul more ass than a pimp driving a caddy full of hoes. Me to Pathik at PRacing.com about modding cars "It's like crack, but you don't lose as much weight...also you don't blow people for performance parts. So I guess it's nothing like crack"
[#] Oct 24, 2007 11:38am
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	This is friend pricing, but I had no idea it was discounted that much. ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Oct 24, 2007 11:39am
Rabid_Lemming Cumming Georgia, US Scion Guru	FrAnkRYzzO wrote: This is friend pricing, but I had no idea it was discounted that much. Yeah yer getting a sweet deal! In fact, if they are doing bench flow testing on it too, you are golden and should jump on that!!! My car isn't the fastest car out there, but I'll tell ya.... Sometimes I haul more ass than a pimp driving a caddy full of hoes. Me to Pathik at PRacing.com about modding cars "It's like crack, but you don't lose as much weight...also you don't blow people for performance parts. So I guess it's nothing like crack"
[#] Oct 24, 2007 11:44am
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	don't know if he has flow bench capabilities or not. I was looking into trying to get one of those cuz I had no idea how much they cost, and now that i know i understand why some custom piping is so friggin exspensive! As ideal as it would be to get that done for the exhaust, its going to make a world of difference on the intake side. The exhaust doesn't have to be perfect since its being forced out. Flow benching the exhaust could potentially give a couple extra hp, but on a boosted application it won't make a noticeable difference. ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Oct 24, 2007 12:41pm
Mayo Rockville Maryland, US *The Guru*	Don't most people/shops do airflow bench testing on manifolds anyway? I thought thats how they knew the manifold worked, haha. "gonna wash my car before i take a nap.. can't rest well knowing i've got the entire cast of A Bug's Life on my bumper" - Vicious -- Want to post a "For Sale" thread? Check out the rules first.
[#] Oct 24, 2007 12:47pm
Rabid_Lemming Cumming Georgia, US Scion Guru	FrAnkRYzzO wrote: The exhaust doesn't have to be perfect since its being forced out. Flow benching the exhaust could potentially give a couple extra hp, but on a boosted application it won't make a noticeable difference. I agree to an extent, but bear in mind that a turbo application is driven by the exhaust gases. Without a proper flow, your exhaust pulse could get wonky so either the compressor wheel doesn't get enough force to drive it properly, or the pulses could be in such a frequency so as to actually slow down the wheel. Either scenario will give you results far below the potential. Add in the fact that you are trying to do a twin application, and you have even more factors regarding exhaust pulse. Speaking of this....what is our cylinder sequence (facing the engine left to right 1-4)? Is it 1-3-2-4? My car isn't the fastest car out there, but I'll tell ya.... Sometimes I haul more ass than a pimp driving a caddy full of hoes. Me to Pathik at PRacing.com about modding cars "It's like crack, but you don't lose as much weight...also you don't blow people for performance parts. So I guess it's nothing like crack"
[#] Oct 24, 2007 01:49pm
FrAnkRYzzO Perry Hall Maryland, US $upervillain for Hire	I'm with you on the pulsing getting out of whack. This guy does exhaust manifolds among other things for a living, so I'm assuming he does flow bench them, but I can't say for sure. I guess I'll find out soon enough I'm pretty sure the firing order is 1-2-3-4, but I can't say this for sure. I remember reading it somewhere but I'll have to research it... Anyone know about the individual hp ratings for our stock internals? Pistons, rods, bearings... I think all of them should be able to hold at least 300hp, and I don't want to go quite that high. ............... Search or one of these adorable kittens WILL DIE!
[#] Oct 24, 2007 01:57pm

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