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What is the difference between LONG/SHORT block?

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Web

Reg'd: Apr 17, 2006

THE SHADOW

Due to a few requests, I'll explain the difference:

Long blocks:
Wikipedia wrote:
Long block is an automotive term describing an engine sub-assembly consisting of the following:Short block. The long block is always a superset of the corresponding short block.
Cylinder head. A complete new or remanufactured cylinder head assembly is installed with a new head gasket and torqued to specification. Complete cylinder heads include new or reconditioned valves, valve springs, valve guides (if applicable), valve seats (if applicable), valve locks, and valve keepers. The bare head is free from cracks, warps, or holes.
If the engine is a flathead, then the valve train is installed if the short block did not already have it.
On most engines, the camshaft will be installed. On many engines with timing gears, the camshaft will be timed.



Short block:
Wikipedia wrote:
Short block is an automotive term describing an engine sub-assembly.

A short block is the portion of the engine blockbelow the head gasket but above the oil pan. A flathead engine will also include the cam and valvetrain. The overhead valve style of engine will not include the aforementioned parts on the shortblock. A shortblock is usually purchased to upgrade the water jacket, piston size or bore. Assemblies typically include the crankshaft installed and balanced along with the main bearing.

A short block is considered destroyed when it either warps or cracks.







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[#] Aug 10, 2007 02:03pm
grlswannadance

Reg'd: Apr 08, 2007

Godlike Advisor

is there anything u dont know? haha
great job web! im sure this will really help some people out
i know i didnt know it


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[#] Aug 10, 2007 02:18pm
rlinbatonrouge

Reg'd: Jul 31, 2007

Tech Advisor

grlswannadance wrote:
is there anything u dont know? haha



Let's see if we can stump him then. What's the diameter of a tire valve stem, rounded to the nearest millimeter?

[#] Aug 10, 2007 02:24pm
hooligan

Reg'd: Apr 12, 2006

Detailer

rlinbatonrouge wrote:
grlswannadance wrote:
is there anything u dont know? haha



Let's see if we can stump him then. What's the diameter of a tire valve stem, rounded to the nearest millimeter?


there are a few different types, ranging from 8mm to 16mm. just thought i'd beat Web to it.




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[#] Aug 10, 2007 02:49pm
rlinbatonrouge

Reg'd: Jul 31, 2007

Tech Advisor

How about the burn temperature of the stock headlight in Kelvin?

[#] Aug 10, 2007 02:51pm
Web

Reg'd: Apr 17, 2006

THE SHADOW

3800K ....hahaha, just a random guess.



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[#] Aug 10, 2007 04:14pm
hooligan

Reg'd: Apr 12, 2006

Detailer

hmm, thats a good question. whatever a 12.8volt 51 watt 9006 HB4 Sylvania burns at, which i believe is around 3400K

haha ok i had to cheat for this one. i knew it would be under 4000, but to be exact i did some digging.




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[#] Aug 10, 2007 04:16pm
Greddo

Reg'd: Jan 02, 2005

Tech Advisor

rlinbatonrouge wrote:
Let's see if we can stump him then. What's the diameter of a tire valve stem, rounded to the nearest millimeter?


Which part? At the wheel (rim hole) or the stem itself?

Standard rim hole is 11.51mm (.453") or 15.88mm (.625")

Stem diameters are:
TR412= 9.40mm Length= 7/2" Valve hole= 11.51mm
TR413= 9.30mm Length= 1-1/4" Valve hole= 11.51mm
TR413 w/ chrm slve= 10.40mm Length= 1-1/4" Valve hole= 11.51mm
TR414= 9.30mm Length= 1-1/2" Valve hole= 11.51mm
TR415= 9.20mm Length= 1-1/4" Valve hole= 15.88mm
TR418= 9.30mm Length= 2" Valve hole= 11.51mm
TR423= 9.20mm Length= 2-1/2" Valve hole= 11.51mm
Enkei Style= 7.70mm Length= 3/4" Valve hole= 11.51mm

That's just some of the passenger stuff. There are a lot more.


[#] Aug 10, 2007 04:53pm
rlinbatonrouge

Reg'd: Jul 31, 2007

Tech Advisor

HAHA. Y'all crack me up. Some here either know WAY too much, or have too much time on their hands.

[#] Aug 10, 2007 05:06pm
hooligan

Reg'd: Apr 12, 2006

Detailer

rlinbatonrouge wrote:
HAHA. Y'all crack me up. Some here either know WAY too much, or have too much time on their hands.


reckon its a lil of both.




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[#] Aug 10, 2007 05:12pm
Greddo

Reg'd: Jan 02, 2005

Tech Advisor

hooligan wrote:
rlinbatonrouge wrote:
HAHA. Y'all crack me up. Some here either know WAY too much, or have too much time on their hands.


reckon its a lil of both.


^^ yup yup ^^ & WEB is sick wit it among many others...



[#] Aug 12, 2007 03:51pm
rrimportracer

Reg'd: Feb 28, 2006

Godlike Advisor

Greddo wrote:
hooligan wrote:
rlinbatonrouge wrote:
HAHA. Y'all crack me up. Some here either know WAY too much, or have too much time on their hands.


reckon its a lil of both.


^^ yup yup ^^ & WEB is sick wit it among many others...



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[#] Aug 12, 2007 08:31pm
nick06tc

Reg'd: May 20, 2006

Scion Guru

Not to knock what people know, but GOOGLE can answer each and EVERY one of your questions. Web deffinetly knows his stuff, but What is a short and long block? can be answered by typing in long block into wikipedia. Takes about 10 seconds to find the answer he posted.

The valve stem sizes can be found on tirerack.com.

Forums are great for info, but most of it is just a meeting place for other info that is out on the net.

[#] Sep 12, 2007 09:33am

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